Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
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Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
This is an older form that I found in my book of poetic forms - the Roinnard Tri-nard, possibly a celtic form or related to it. It is short and looks deceptively simple, but for those of us who enjoy wrestling the words into place it's takes a bit of chewing on.
A Roinnard Tri-nard has the following characteristics:
It is a quatrain (four lines).
Hexasyllabic (six beats per line) ending in disyllables (a two-syllable word).
Alliteration in each line. (Same letter sounds, such as Luke likes to lick lakes, etc.)
The end of line 1 alliterates with the 1st accented word in line 2
It ends on same syllable/sound as it began.
The 2nd couplet (lines 3 & 4) has 2 cross-rhymes, but there are none in 1st couplet (lines 1 & 2).
Line 2 rhymes with line 4
Line 3 consonates with both 2 & 4 (a 'near rhyme' that isn't one quite).
The pattern would therefore look a bit like this:
x x x x xa*
x x* x x bc
x b x x xc#
x x c x bc
in which c# consonates and a* alliterates with x*, and the bold x & bc have the same sound.
Got that?
It's a bit of a stinker in English as it wasn't meant for the English language, but that's what makes it fun.
Here are three I wrangled out during the day today - I had to cheat a little on the alliteration in the second one by hyphenating, and both could be improved, but how I haven't figured out yet.
Teatime
Feeling somewhat sluggish,
Mugs sip, mumble softly,
Tumblers fit for quaffing
Bitter half-black coffee.
Ghost-stories
Always told with terror,
To tales spoken, stalking
Fear, all shiver - fallen
Ghouls given life, walking.
Tolkien
Words upon white paper,
Punc-tuating towards
Old world order; shepherds
Faery swept to forward.
~ ~ ~
Your turn.
A Roinnard Tri-nard has the following characteristics:
It is a quatrain (four lines).
Hexasyllabic (six beats per line) ending in disyllables (a two-syllable word).
Alliteration in each line. (Same letter sounds, such as Luke likes to lick lakes, etc.)
The end of line 1 alliterates with the 1st accented word in line 2
It ends on same syllable/sound as it began.
The 2nd couplet (lines 3 & 4) has 2 cross-rhymes, but there are none in 1st couplet (lines 1 & 2).
Line 2 rhymes with line 4
Line 3 consonates with both 2 & 4 (a 'near rhyme' that isn't one quite).
The pattern would therefore look a bit like this:
x x x x xa*
x x* x x bc
x b x x xc#
x x c x bc
in which c# consonates and a* alliterates with x*, and the bold x & bc have the same sound.
Got that?
It's a bit of a stinker in English as it wasn't meant for the English language, but that's what makes it fun.
Here are three I wrangled out during the day today - I had to cheat a little on the alliteration in the second one by hyphenating, and both could be improved, but how I haven't figured out yet.
Teatime
Feeling somewhat sluggish,
Mugs sip, mumble softly,
Tumblers fit for quaffing
Bitter half-black coffee.
Ghost-stories
Always told with terror,
To tales spoken, stalking
Fear, all shiver - fallen
Ghouls given life, walking.
Tolkien
Words upon white paper,
Punc-tuating towards
Old world order; shepherds
Faery swept to forward.
~ ~ ~
Your turn.
Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
Sorry...NOT my turn. I totally can't write a poem of any sort and am definitely not going to try this one. You're the brave one Primula! BTW, how long did it take you to come up with that? That was great!
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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
You know I love to write poems, can't do it well, but, I love to do it. However, this is one I am going to definitely have to pass on!!!! Not going to happen! Good luck to anyone giving it a go!
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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
Look at it like learning to crochet or working a rubic's cube...
The weird thing about it is that the celtic styling tends to be 'sound first' and what it ends up meaning comes after, so it is harder to control what the topic will be. I find what words I can come up with to fit dictate the topic rather than the other way around.
Two more... the first is passable, but I rather liked the second one though I had to fudge slightly on the true rhyme at the ending word.
Strider
Ranging ever afield,
Shielding some in danger -
Unsung, insult-tangled -
Shelter them safe; Ranger.
Late Morning
Roses and bees besought,
In thought's garden grown,
Honed hedges well grounded,
Swelling sun that arose.
The weird thing about it is that the celtic styling tends to be 'sound first' and what it ends up meaning comes after, so it is harder to control what the topic will be. I find what words I can come up with to fit dictate the topic rather than the other way around.
Two more... the first is passable, but I rather liked the second one though I had to fudge slightly on the true rhyme at the ending word.
Strider
Ranging ever afield,
Shielding some in danger -
Unsung, insult-tangled -
Shelter them safe; Ranger.
Late Morning
Roses and bees besought,
In thought's garden grown,
Honed hedges well grounded,
Swelling sun that arose.
Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
Stanzas strange and tricky
Will try my very best
Word-crooks bound, tied, and booked
Caught resisting arrest
I know I mess it up completely... but this is hard!
Will try my very best
Word-crooks bound, tied, and booked
Caught resisting arrest
I know I mess it up completely... but this is hard!
Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
It's surprisingly complex for such a little thing, isn't it? I think that's why I just had to try too.Lothithil wrote:... this is hard!
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A break for camel-inards
Plotting dots in desert
Each day he's hot to trot
Goat stew or camel snot
There's more to our true shot
I think I got all the inards in the right places but not sure if the camel will live.
Each day he's hot to trot
Goat stew or camel snot
There's more to our true shot
I think I got all the inards in the right places but not sure if the camel will live.
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Puter says no!
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Beruthiel musing on her mythical sis, Galadriel
Loth don't laugh, I plain forgot the disyllables while concentrating on Prim's renal -innard anatomy diagram !!
Sister royal and silvan
Sending a slight shiver
Lying just a sliver
On our mist grey river.
There are so many form rules that I think I need to put all the contents in the subject slot
Sister royal and silvan
Sending a slight shiver
Lying just a sliver
On our mist grey river.
There are so many form rules that I think I need to put all the contents in the subject slot
Puter says no!
*deep breath....*
AAARRGGHH!!
You challenge me to a poem game
You make it sound like so much fun...
But look at me now: nails gnawed, face forlorn,
The hair from my head is tustled and torn!
You ask: Did I get the name of the truck?
I say: A Roinnard Tri-nard hit and run!
*runs screaming around the room in tight circles* lol!
You challenge me to a poem game
You make it sound like so much fun...
But look at me now: nails gnawed, face forlorn,
The hair from my head is tustled and torn!
You ask: Did I get the name of the truck?
I say: A Roinnard Tri-nard hit and run!
*runs screaming around the room in tight circles* lol!
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driven by the truck
Gollum
Water way glance sliding
Strange fish somewhat fickle
Rabble flesh, hair deranged
Beware babble trickle
walking away babbling..........
Water way glance sliding
Strange fish somewhat fickle
Rabble flesh, hair deranged
Beware babble trickle
walking away babbling..........
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Puter says no!
Re: I don't find my truck gathering enough speed to go anywh
You guys crack me up! These little things really do make you have to roll up your sleeves and crack your knuckles a bit, don't they? I tend to feel as if I am trying to fold word-origami.
Nicely done! - though I don't know about the camel snot...
Hm...
Nostalgia
Key wound clocks, Stretch Armstrong,
Ads sung, shrinking dinkies,
Fake ink, backseats, stinkers,
Crackled marbles, slinkies.
-
Arrrrgh.....
Nicely done! - though I don't know about the camel snot...
Hm...
Nostalgia
Key wound clocks, Stretch Armstrong,
Ads sung, shrinking dinkies,
Fake ink, backseats, stinkers,
Crackled marbles, slinkies.
-
Arrrrgh.....
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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets
You didn't mess it up completely, Loth... I like it... and it so totally smacks of your sense of humor!Lothithil wrote:Stanzas strange and tricky
Will try my very best
Word-crooks bound, tied, and booked
Caught resisting arrest
I know I mess it up completely... but this is hard!
Oooh, I like... but sad.Beruthless wrote: Sister royal and silvan
Sending a slight shiver
Lying just a sliver
On our mist grey river.
This one also gets an "oooh" from me, Prim.Primula wrote:Strider
Ranging ever afield,
Shielding some in danger -
Unsung, insult-tangled -
Shelter them safe; Ranger.
As for the form, I haven't time for it now... they actually expect me to work when I'm at work... and this one will take me some time. Hopefully I'll be back later, if my Muse doesn't run away screaming.
If the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence... water your grass.