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Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets

Post by Primula » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:33 pm

This is an older form that I found in my book of poetic forms - the Roinnard Tri-nard, possibly a celtic form or related to it. It is short and looks deceptively simple, but for those of us who enjoy wrestling the words into place it's takes a bit of chewing on.

A Roinnard Tri-nard has the following characteristics:

It is a quatrain (four lines).
Hexasyllabic (six beats per line) ending in disyllables (a two-syllable word).
Alliteration in each line. (Same letter sounds, such as Luke likes to lick lakes, etc.)
The end of line 1 alliterates with the 1st accented word in line 2
It ends on same syllable/sound as it began.
The 2nd couplet (lines 3 & 4) has 2 cross-rhymes, but there are none in 1st couplet (lines 1 & 2).
Line 2 rhymes with line 4
Line 3 consonates with both 2 & 4 (a 'near rhyme' that isn't one quite).

The pattern would therefore look a bit like this:

x x x x xa*
x x* x x bc
x b x x xc#
x x c x bc

in which c# consonates and a* alliterates with x*, and the bold x & bc have the same sound.

Got that?
:-) It's a bit of a stinker in English as it wasn't meant for the English language, but that's what makes it fun.

Here are three I wrangled out during the day today - I had to cheat a little on the alliteration in the second one by hyphenating, and both could be improved, but how I haven't figured out yet.

Teatime

Feeling somewhat sluggish,
Mugs sip, mumble softly,
Tumblers fit for quaffing
Bitter half-black coffee.


Ghost-stories

Always told with terror,
To tales spoken, stalking
Fear, all shiver - fallen
Ghouls given life, walking.


Tolkien

Words upon white paper,
Punc-tuating towards
Old world order; shepherds
Faery swept to forward.

~ ~ ~

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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets

Post by gustaf » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:41 pm

Sorry...NOT my turn. 8) I totally can't write a poem of any sort and am definitely not going to try this one. You're the brave one Primula! :P BTW, how long did it take you to come up with that? That was great!
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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets

Post by Silivren Ithildin » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:41 am

You know I love to write poems, can't do it well, but, I love to do it. However, this is one I am going to definitely have to pass on!!!! Not going to happen! Good luck to anyone giving it a go!

Sil :shock:
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Post by Primula » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:36 pm

Look at it like learning to crochet or working a rubic's cube...

The weird thing about it is that the celtic styling tends to be 'sound first' and what it ends up meaning comes after, so it is harder to control what the topic will be. I find what words I can come up with to fit dictate the topic rather than the other way around.

Two more... the first is passable, but I rather liked the second one though I had to fudge slightly on the true rhyme at the ending word.

Strider

Ranging ever afield,
Shielding some in danger -
Unsung, insult-tangled -
Shelter them safe; Ranger.


Late Morning

Roses and bees besought,
In thought's garden grown,
Honed hedges well grounded,
Swelling sun that arose.

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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets

Post by Lothithil » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:01 am

Stanzas strange and tricky
Will try my very best
Word-crooks bound, tied, and booked
Caught resisting arrest


I know I mess it up completely... but this is hard! :D

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Post by Primula » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:13 pm

Lothithil wrote:... this is hard! :D
It's surprisingly complex for such a little thing, isn't it? I think that's why I just had to try too. :D

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A break for camel-inards

Post by Beruthless » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:27 pm

Plotting dots in desert
Each day he's hot to trot
Goat stew or camel snot
There's more to our true shot

:? I think I got all the inards in the right places but not sure if the camel will live.
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Post by Lothithil » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:14 pm

:rofl:

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Beruthiel musing on her mythical sis, Galadriel

Post by Beruthless » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:31 am

Loth don't laugh, I plain forgot the disyllables while concentrating on Prim's renal -innard anatomy diagram !!


Sister royal and silvan
Sending a slight shiver
Lying just a sliver
On our mist grey river.

There are so many form rules that I think I need to put all the contents in the subject slot :?
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*deep breath....*

Post by Lothithil » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:48 pm

:nailbiter: AAARRGGHH!! :banghead:

You challenge me to a poem game
You make it sound like so much fun...

But look at me now: nails gnawed, face forlorn,
The hair from my head is tustled and torn!

You ask: Did I get the name of the truck?
I say: A Roinnard Tri-nard hit and run! :P

*runs screaming around the room in tight circles* lol!

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driven by the truck

Post by Beruthless » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:27 pm

Gollum

Water way glance sliding
Strange fish somewhat fickle
Rabble flesh, hair deranged
Beware babble trickle

walking away babbling..........
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Post by Primula » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:43 pm

You guys crack me up! :lol: These little things really do make you have to roll up your sleeves and crack your knuckles a bit, don't they? I tend to feel as if I am trying to fold word-origami.

Nicely done! - though I don't know about the camel snot... :strange:

Hm...

Nostalgia

Key wound clocks, Stretch Armstrong,
Ads sung, shrinking dinkies,
Fake ink, backseats, stinkers,
Crackled marbles, slinkies.

-

Arrrrgh.....

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Re: Rionnaird Tri-nards - a fun puzzle for poets

Post by daughter_of_kings » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:12 am

Lothithil wrote:Stanzas strange and tricky
Will try my very best
Word-crooks bound, tied, and booked
Caught resisting arrest


I know I mess it up completely... but this is hard! :D
You didn't mess it up completely, Loth... I like it... and it so totally smacks of your sense of humor! :clap:
Beruthless wrote: Sister royal and silvan
Sending a slight shiver
Lying just a sliver
On our mist grey river.
Oooh, I like... but sad.
Primula wrote:Strider

Ranging ever afield,
Shielding some in danger -
Unsung, insult-tangled -
Shelter them safe; Ranger.
This one also gets an "oooh" from me, Prim.

As for the form, I haven't time for it now... they actually expect me to work when I'm at work... and this one will take me some time. Hopefully I'll be back later, if my Muse doesn't run away screaming. :roll:
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